#79 Abusive behavior by operator
Closed: Fixed None Opened 12 years ago by jjzh.

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My IRC nick is: czx

Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: An operator was trolling me and threatening me when I asked him to stop.

Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: Southern_Gentlem

Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: Inform moderators that trolling is not acceptable, and that support channel is not their private shop.

Any additional notes or logs: That one of his trolling remarks:
<Southern_Gentlem> that will cause your problem of long boot right there because it is trying to debug everything as it boots


User does not like the answers provided so they resort to throwing around the word "troll" and being generally abusive. Kick and ban them, get it over with.

Complete logs minus part/joins of other users, in case it's useful to anyone...

--- Day changed Wed Oct 26 2011
[...]
09:38 [A] --> czx [~qwerty@l49-18-203.cn.ru] #fedora
09:39 czx | your pedora OS takes an year to start, suddently
09:40 czx | 155 seconds to boot!!
09:40 DiscordianU | czk: what
09:40 kc8hfi | czx: what is your question?
09:40 DiscordianU | Heaven alone knows what pedora iw
09:40 DiscordianU | is
09:41 czx | my question is why pedora 15 takes one hundred and fiftyfive seconds to boot
09:41 DiscordianU | Right
09:41 DiscordianU | leave now
09:42 DiscordianU | or stop trolling czk
09:42 czx | DiscordianUK, what?
09:42 Southern_Ge | what is pedora
09:42 DiscordianU | It's Fedora not Pedora fool
09:43 DiscordianU | uname -a please cvz
09:43 DiscordianU | uname -a please cvx
09:43 czx | 2.6.40.6-0.fc15.x86_64
09:43 Southern_Ge | -r
09:43 Southern_Ge | czx, fpaste --sysinfo please
09:44 DiscordianU | okay 155 seconds ain't much
09:44 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, close to 3 minutes
09:44 Southern_Ge | i havent had a box take that long in along time
09:45 DiscordianU | the fpaste will show what's enabled
09:45 Southern_Ge | i am hoping
09:45 DiscordianU | Else we'll need a systemd-analyse
09:46 czx | http://fpaste.org/tEbW/
09:48 DiscordianU | I see non-core repos
09:48 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, well there is one thing is he has every debug repo enabled
09:48 Hawkwind | I remember back in the day when 155 seconds was a quick boot :)
09:49 DiscordianU | I do too
09:49 Southern_Ge | czx, why do you have all the debug repos enabled
09:50 czx | Southern_Gentlem, for debug symbols
09:50 Southern_Ge | that will cause your problem of long boot right there because it is trying to debug everything as it boots
09:51 czx | Southern_Gentlem, are you high?
09:51 Southern_Ge | czx, no but you are trolling
09:51 Southern_Ge | @quiet czx
09:51 [A] mode/#fedora <+q czx!@> by fedbot
09:51 @ fedbot | czx, You have been quieted in this channel temporarily. Please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Channel_FAQ and consider changing your approach and/or the behavior that is disrupting the channel. If you feel this action was in error, please file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/
09:51 [A] mode/#fedora <-q czx!@> by fedbot
09:51 DiscordianU | +1 Southern_Gentlem
09:52 czx | !ops
09:52 DiscordianU | I'd just leave czx
09:53 Southern_Ge | czx, your problems are all PEBCAKS of your own device
09:53 DiscordianU | else you'll get banned
09:53 corn_man | I think his goal is to get banned.
09:54 czx | I think somebody abuses his operator rights
09:54 DiscordianU | No
09:55 DiscordianU | But I can oblige if you ask nicely
09:55 DiscordianU | why do you insist on saying Pedora
09:55 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, stop feeding the troll
09:56 Southern_Ge | ALL DO NOT Feed the Vampires see http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ and http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341
09:58 Southern_Ge | @feedback czx
09:58 Southern_Ge | czx, but also be aware we have the same logs
09:59 l1x | czx: 155 sec is cool
09:59 l1x | what is your problem?
10:01 czx | l1x, 155 to boot a desktop is not 'cool', that's rificulous
10:02 Southern_Ge | l1x, he comes in trolling calling names, he has every debug repo enabled and wonders why his machine is slow
10:02 l1x | yeah my windows is booting in seconds, this might be the reason i use windows on desktops :D
10:02 l1x | anyway, i wouldnt be suprised if the problem is at your end
10:02 czx | Southern_Gentlem, you may refresh your knowledge about what debug repo is and how it is used
10:02 caravel | hi folks : maybe there is some "pedora" out there in russion, some time ago there were a "Tedora" for sure https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Russian_Fedora_Remix just fyi
10:03 caravel | russia
10:03 Southern_Ge | czx, only for troubleshooting
10:03 l1x | czx: wo/ having a detailed report on your boot process your comments are just trolling :)
10:03 Southern_Ge | caravel, pedora is a raceist comment in russian for homosexual
10:04 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: oh, I see :D that deserves a ban for sure :)
10:04 l1x | heh, i knew i will learn something useful here today! :)
10:04 Southern_Ge | caravel, it starts out that way and continues then when called on it wants to act smug
10:05 czx | l1x, do you want dmesg?
10:05 l1x | not at all
10:05 l1x | czx: give me detailed boot logs
10:05 l1x | why would anybody want your dmesg?! :)
10:05 l1x | dude, are you totally noob?
10:06 EvilBob | I already said my bit about this twit.
10:07 EvilBob | OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
10:07 caravel | I'm interesting in understand the relation between enabling a debug repo and getting it used while booting (?)
10:08 caravel | interested

10:08 kc8hfi | caravel: y9our question was answered earlier. <Southern_Gentlem> that will cause your problem of long boot right there because it is trying to debug everything as it boots
10:08 czx | caravel, he's trolling and is being reported right now
10:10 khrm | czx cat /var/log/boot.log | fpaste
10:10 Southern_Ge | czx, i have been here way tooo long and people know i dont troll
10:10 EvilBob | Oh goody, another ticket for me to close as "user is a blow hole, should have been aborted post postpartum"
10:11 caravel | kc8hfi: thanks, I did read that comment, but that was never my understanding that just installing a debug package/repo would automatically use them.
10:11 caravel | I am still a newbie on ths side, hence my question of course: so is it really automatic, no flag required on kernel line in grub ?
10:11 Southern_Ge | EvilBob, same user actually
10:11 EvilBob | Southern_Gentlem: I am aware
10:11 Southern_Ge | caravel, kernel flag for what
10:12 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: to trigger the debug while booting
10:12 Southern_Ge | caravel, do you have f15 installed
10:12 EvilBob | Here we go boys and girls https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/79
10:12 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: no, still on F14 myself
10:12 Southern_Ge | caravel, build a VM and put f15 in it
10:13 Southern_Ge | what is your boot time
10:13 EvilBob | and here is their other ticket https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/78
10:13 Southern_Ge | yum update and then enavbles all debug repos and yum update again and check the boottime
10:13 czx | khrm, /var/log/boot.log is empty
10:13 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: I'll upgrade soon -- natively, my boot time is fine here nothing to complain about (and my debug repo were never enabled, only on demand with --enablerepo)
10:14 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: ok, I trust you. interesting, would never have expected that
10:15 caravel | hence I can understand czx question, asking "are you high ?" was clearly disrespectful anyway :D
10:15 * caravel will shut up now, sorry to take the space, thanks Southern_Gentlem
10:17 kc8hfi | EvilBob: nip it in the bud! thats what you're really sayin in that ticket
10:18 EvilBob | kc8hfi: I'll stand behind my opinion that it should have been aborted post postpartum
10:20 czx | now, any ideas why my system takes 155 seconds to boot? it was significantly faster soon after install
10:21 khrm | Without log no can help. Are you currently on fed?
10:22 DiscordianU | He's been answered
10:23 czx | khrm, I told you the log you asked for is empty
10:33 [A] *-- czx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) #fedora

Just a few comments from me:

a) "Trolling" is an overused word and doesn't seem to apply at all here.
"an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages"

b) On one side I would suggest approaching the channel with an open mind and simply ask for information on how to solve the problem at hand. Avoid terms like "this is broken" or "fix this now", try "how can I find out more information about...". On the other side, I would suggest people try and avoid leaping to conclusions about someone based on past behavior. Try and see what they are doing at the time, not that you dislike them.

c) If you find IRC presents language barriers, try a lang specific channel? Perhaps #fedora-russian? Or you may consider mailing lists of forums if you don't like the support in irc.

no evidence, but thanks for the feedback

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