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My IRC nick is: czx
Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: An operator was trolling me and threatening me when I asked him to stop.
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: Southern_Gentlem
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: Inform moderators that trolling is not acceptable, and that support channel is not their private shop.
Any additional notes or logs: That one of his trolling remarks: <Southern_Gentlem> that will cause your problem of long boot right there because it is trying to debug everything as it boots
User does not like the answers provided so they resort to throwing around the word "troll" and being generally abusive. Kick and ban them, get it over with.
Complete logs minus part/joins of other users, in case it's useful to anyone...
--- Day changed Wed Oct 26 2011 [...] 09:38 [A] --> czx [~qwerty@l49-18-203.cn.ru] #fedora 09:39 czx | your pedora OS takes an year to start, suddently 09:40 czx | 155 seconds to boot!! 09:40 DiscordianU | czk: what 09:40 kc8hfi | czx: what is your question? 09:40 DiscordianU | Heaven alone knows what pedora iw 09:40 DiscordianU | is 09:41 czx | my question is why pedora 15 takes one hundred and fiftyfive seconds to boot 09:41 DiscordianU | Right 09:41 DiscordianU | leave now 09:42 DiscordianU | or stop trolling czk 09:42 czx | DiscordianUK, what? 09:42 Southern_Ge | what is pedora 09:42 DiscordianU | It's Fedora not Pedora fool 09:43 DiscordianU | uname -a please cvz 09:43 DiscordianU | uname -a please cvx 09:43 czx | 2.6.40.6-0.fc15.x86_64 09:43 Southern_Ge | -r 09:43 Southern_Ge | czx, fpaste --sysinfo please 09:44 DiscordianU | okay 155 seconds ain't much 09:44 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, close to 3 minutes 09:44 Southern_Ge | i havent had a box take that long in along time 09:45 DiscordianU | the fpaste will show what's enabled 09:45 Southern_Ge | i am hoping 09:45 DiscordianU | Else we'll need a systemd-analyse 09:46 czx | http://fpaste.org/tEbW/ 09:48 DiscordianU | I see non-core repos 09:48 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, well there is one thing is he has every debug repo enabled 09:48 Hawkwind | I remember back in the day when 155 seconds was a quick boot :) 09:49 DiscordianU | I do too 09:49 Southern_Ge | czx, why do you have all the debug repos enabled 09:50 czx | Southern_Gentlem, for debug symbols 09:50 Southern_Ge | that will cause your problem of long boot right there because it is trying to debug everything as it boots 09:51 czx | Southern_Gentlem, are you high? 09:51 Southern_Ge | czx, no but you are trolling 09:51 Southern_Ge | @quiet czx 09:51 [A] mode/#fedora <+q czx!@> by fedbot 09:51 @ fedbot | czx, You have been quieted in this channel temporarily. Please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Channel_FAQ and consider changing your approach and/or the behavior that is disrupting the channel. If you feel this action was in error, please file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ 09:51 [A] mode/#fedora <-q czx!@> by fedbot 09:51 DiscordianU | +1 Southern_Gentlem 09:52 czx | !ops 09:52 DiscordianU | I'd just leave czx 09:53 Southern_Ge | czx, your problems are all PEBCAKS of your own device 09:53 DiscordianU | else you'll get banned 09:53 corn_man | I think his goal is to get banned. 09:54 czx | I think somebody abuses his operator rights 09:54 DiscordianU | No 09:55 DiscordianU | But I can oblige if you ask nicely 09:55 DiscordianU | why do you insist on saying Pedora 09:55 Southern_Ge | DiscordianUK, stop feeding the troll 09:56 Southern_Ge | ALL DO NOT Feed the Vampires see http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ and http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341 09:58 Southern_Ge | @feedback czx 09:58 Southern_Ge | czx, but also be aware we have the same logs 09:59 l1x | czx: 155 sec is cool 09:59 l1x | what is your problem? 10:01 czx | l1x, 155 to boot a desktop is not 'cool', that's rificulous 10:02 Southern_Ge | l1x, he comes in trolling calling names, he has every debug repo enabled and wonders why his machine is slow 10:02 l1x | yeah my windows is booting in seconds, this might be the reason i use windows on desktops :D 10:02 l1x | anyway, i wouldnt be suprised if the problem is at your end 10:02 czx | Southern_Gentlem, you may refresh your knowledge about what debug repo is and how it is used 10:02 caravel | hi folks : maybe there is some "pedora" out there in russion, some time ago there were a "Tedora" for sure https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Russian_Fedora_Remix just fyi 10:03 caravel | russia 10:03 Southern_Ge | czx, only for troubleshooting 10:03 l1x | czx: wo/ having a detailed report on your boot process your comments are just trolling :) 10:03 Southern_Ge | caravel, pedora is a raceist comment in russian for homosexual 10:04 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: oh, I see :D that deserves a ban for sure :) 10:04 l1x | heh, i knew i will learn something useful here today! :) 10:04 Southern_Ge | caravel, it starts out that way and continues then when called on it wants to act smug 10:05 czx | l1x, do you want dmesg? 10:05 l1x | not at all 10:05 l1x | czx: give me detailed boot logs 10:05 l1x | why would anybody want your dmesg?! :) 10:05 l1x | dude, are you totally noob? 10:06 EvilBob | I already said my bit about this twit. 10:07 EvilBob | OFF WITH HIS HEAD! 10:07 caravel | I'm interesting in understand the relation between enabling a debug repo and getting it used while booting (?) 10:08 caravel | interested 10:08 kc8hfi | caravel: y9our question was answered earlier. <Southern_Gentlem> that will cause your problem of long boot right there because it is trying to debug everything as it boots 10:08 czx | caravel, he's trolling and is being reported right now 10:10 khrm | czx cat /var/log/boot.log | fpaste 10:10 Southern_Ge | czx, i have been here way tooo long and people know i dont troll 10:10 EvilBob | Oh goody, another ticket for me to close as "user is a blow hole, should have been aborted post postpartum" 10:11 caravel | kc8hfi: thanks, I did read that comment, but that was never my understanding that just installing a debug package/repo would automatically use them. 10:11 caravel | I am still a newbie on ths side, hence my question of course: so is it really automatic, no flag required on kernel line in grub ? 10:11 Southern_Ge | EvilBob, same user actually 10:11 EvilBob | Southern_Gentlem: I am aware 10:11 Southern_Ge | caravel, kernel flag for what 10:12 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: to trigger the debug while booting 10:12 Southern_Ge | caravel, do you have f15 installed 10:12 EvilBob | Here we go boys and girls https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/79 10:12 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: no, still on F14 myself 10:12 Southern_Ge | caravel, build a VM and put f15 in it 10:13 Southern_Ge | what is your boot time 10:13 EvilBob | and here is their other ticket https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/78 10:13 Southern_Ge | yum update and then enavbles all debug repos and yum update again and check the boottime 10:13 czx | khrm, /var/log/boot.log is empty 10:13 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: I'll upgrade soon -- natively, my boot time is fine here nothing to complain about (and my debug repo were never enabled, only on demand with --enablerepo) 10:14 caravel | Southern_Gentlem: ok, I trust you. interesting, would never have expected that 10:15 caravel | hence I can understand czx question, asking "are you high ?" was clearly disrespectful anyway :D 10:15 * caravel will shut up now, sorry to take the space, thanks Southern_Gentlem 10:17 kc8hfi | EvilBob: nip it in the bud! thats what you're really sayin in that ticket 10:18 EvilBob | kc8hfi: I'll stand behind my opinion that it should have been aborted post postpartum 10:20 czx | now, any ideas why my system takes 155 seconds to boot? it was significantly faster soon after install 10:21 khrm | Without log no can help. Are you currently on fed? 10:22 DiscordianU | He's been answered 10:23 czx | khrm, I told you the log you asked for is empty 10:33 [A] *-- czx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) #fedora
Just a few comments from me:
a) "Trolling" is an overused word and doesn't seem to apply at all here. "an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages"
b) On one side I would suggest approaching the channel with an open mind and simply ask for information on how to solve the problem at hand. Avoid terms like "this is broken" or "fix this now", try "how can I find out more information about...". On the other side, I would suggest people try and avoid leaping to conclusions about someone based on past behavior. Try and see what they are doing at the time, not that you dislike them.
c) If you find IRC presents language barriers, try a lang specific channel? Perhaps #fedora-russian? Or you may consider mailing lists of forums if you don't like the support in irc.
no evidence, but thanks for the feedback
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