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My IRC nick is: mathezula

Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket:

Operator fenris02 was in a bit of a mood of sorts; I was banned in #fedora. I patiently requested in #fedora-ops for another op to read the log (in the hopes my ban would be lifted); fenris02 became rather confrontational when I did this, and I asked him to follow the guidelines for the operators. I was consequently banned after operator Evilbob dismissed my request to have the log reviewed. I joined #freenode-social and asked a little about who owned the various fedora channels, and was banned for it by operator Evilbob. My intention wasn't to file a ticket or get anyone in trouble, but, I'd like all my bans lifted.

*edit: I posted a ticket about this, but one of the operators involved took assignment of the ticket, then removed content pertaining to him and made several attempts to flame in the comments. This is a repost to avoid that operator (Evilbob, bjensen). All 3 of these bans are part of the same event, so I have kept them intact in this ticket.

*edit: this repost ticket was deleted by bjensen, incorrectly marked as a 'duplicate', so it had to be reposted again. If this is not the correct venue for reporting issues, please email me at mathezula@gmail.com

Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:

fenris02, mutk, Evilbob (bjensen)

Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback:

I don't think there are any #fedora policy changes that would prevent this in the future, I think the policies are great; I do think from reading the operator guidelines for the fedora channels that maybe some operator team meetings where an emphasis on adhering to those policies already in place is made. I understand that it's a large support channel and that operating a channel that big is a huge amount of stress and work, but those standards are important (at least to me).

Any additional notes or logs:

Here are several clips (clipped for context, it's a long log) of fenris02 kind of...being a little ...agitated...along with clips of he and I directly interacting in the channel; I have also included related private messages to other operators discussing the issue, along with clips of what I feel are bans of mine from tonight that should be lifted and looked into in the various fedora channels as I am now absolutely certain that fedora should not be represented this way:

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<fenris02> ivazquez|laptop, KGBWolf has been here for the last 12 hours asking trivial questions that would be solved by reading RUTE or other intro docs.
<ivazquez|laptop> Ooooh, an anklebiter.
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<Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, I don't think it did anything
<fenris02> ok, 13 hours, 3 minutes really.
<ivazquez|laptop> That's a good sign.
<ivazquez|laptop> Try the ports now.
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<mathezula> fenris02, you're not seriously suggesting that getting help here depends on reading rute
<Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, nope, nothing
<mathezula> fenris02, btw i was told to look for you as you had some good reading about apple rendering in F14
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<fenris02> mathezula, Do you really want to go there? seriously? it has not even been 24hrs for your yet ...
<mutk> mathezula, Not at all.
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<ivazquez|laptop> Aero528: Strange. Dunno then.
<mathezula> mutk, must have just been the wording is all :)
<mutk> mathezula, You need to asses the full background first sir..
<mathezula> fenris02, yes i really want to know about BCI tweaking in F14
<Aero528> ivazquez|laptop,, I did find this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working
<mathezula> im assuming its BCI I thought it was GDI but me and acronyms dong get along
<Aero528> I don't understand what to do exactly though
<fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the acronyms and explain what it is you really want.
<mathezula> i want a replica of apple's font rendering in F14
<fenris02> mathezula, run osx.
<mathezula> osx != F14
<fenris02> next stupid question.
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<mathezula> yikes.
<fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the crap and explain what it is you really want.
<mutk> mathezula, Try to be a little more verbose 'apple rendering in F14' makes little sense to me
<mathezula> ok. apple renders their font differently than what is standard on F14, with specifications that can be replicated on linux systems. I could follow a linux tut on this as i have with other distros but would like to skip that if there is a 'fedora way' that is better. :)
<ivazquez|laptop> You need a rebuilt freetype.
<fenris02> mutk, careful with that one. if you tell him he's wrong, he'll blow up again and spend the next few hours ranting.
<ivazquez|laptop> Try RPMFusion maybe.
<fenris02> again. and again.

** #fedora **
<mathezula> SynFlag, what do you mean by 'not working'?
<mathezula> SynFlag, please explain output.
<SynFlag> man modprobe
<SynFlag> fopen: No existe el fichero o el directorio
<SynFlag> Imposible abrir la página sobre /usr/share/man/es/man1/depmod.1.gz
<SynFlag> No hay ninguna página sobre modprobe
<Aero528> could someone explain to me how to do this?
<Aero528> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working
<mathezula> thats fubar
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<fenris02> Aero528, err, it tells you right there.
<KGBWolf> found what i need thanks again
<fenris02> mathezula, no. it's spanish. completely normal error.
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<mathezula> oh, ty, i wasn't aware what spanish was.
<Aero528> fenris02, I know, but I don't know how to create files or pass kernel variables
<fenris02> mathezula, that's two. dont play dumb a third time today.
<mathezula> yikes. is anyone else reading this?
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<fenris02> Aero528, kernel variables are passed on the grub line that begins with 'kernel'.
<fenris02> Aero528, you create files with your favorite editor ...
<SynFlag> fenris02: how view the manpage in english?
<SynFlag> or fix the error
<ivazquez|laptop> LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe
<fenris02> SynFlag, purely out of curiosity, try "LANG=en_US man depmod"
<SynFlag> ok, thanks
<mathezula> SynFlag, http://linux.die.net/man/8/modprobe
<SynFlag> great LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe works!
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<ivazquez|laptop> man should be dropping back to en_US if the es man page isn't found though.
<mathezula> ivazquez|laptop, yeah i was concerned about that
<Aero528> fenris02, sorry, I just installed linux today, so i'm not familiar with any of this. How do you access the grub line
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<fenris02> @saylucky Aero528 RUTE
<fedbot> Aero528: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result)
<ivazquez|laptop> First, practice using a text editor on a non-dangerous file.
<mathezula> mutk, pm? :)
<ivazquez|laptop> Popular choices are nano, vim, and emacs.
<mutk> mathezula, Sure. Whats up?

PM with mutk

<mathezula> im a loud person
<mathezula> but i like what you guys are doing here
<mathezula> and i've read the outlines for whats expected of the various roles here
<mathezula> and you guys are right where i want my org to be
<mathezula> uhm.
<mathezula> you might want to...uh.. 'catalyze' with fenris02, he seems to be in quite the mood tonight. I'd try myself but he'd probably take it the wrong way.
<mutk> Understood. He has had a bit of a crap time with this guy KGBWolf. Seriously ...
<mathezula> i figured he'd chill out a little with a little nudge from the right person and you seem to be a more respected senior op. if you're doing pidof $proc still you are OLD SCHOOL lol
<mathezula> thats like 'e-world' old lmfao
<mutk> BTW, there is a feedback channel somewhere.. I tend not to pay attention. You could in the mildest language possible point out what happened today..
<mathezula> well i dont want to get him in trouble
<mutk> You won't.
<mathezula> which channel is the feedback channel?
<mutk> Sorry it is not literally a #channel.. Its a trac project I think, let me have a look.
<mathezula> k
<mutk> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC#Feedback
<mutk> Take a copy of our conversation too so it can be placed in the ticket :)
<mathezula> sounds good

** #fedora ***
<fenris02> Aero528, pay someone to do it for you then.
<fenris02> Aero528, the going rate is about 85$/hr, with a 4 hour minimum. double that if you want an explanation.
<Aero528> fenris02, Ok, thanks for your help. This could have been done much quicker, but it seems I looked for help in the wrong place
<fenris02> Aero528, you asked in the correct place, but you are unwilling to read the answer.
<jroysdon> we dont spoonfeed
<jroysdon> we teach fishing
<fenris02> Aero528, had you put even a modicum of effort into solving it, i can provide much nicer answers.
<mathezula> Aero528, i'll do it for you for 25 dollars an hour and include an explanation
<Aero528> fenris02, Ok, I understand this. I'm sorry. I'll figure it out, but I was hoping someone could point me to some specific resources rather than just a vague direction. In any case, I'm reading now.
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<fenris02> Aero528, Excellent! Glad to hear it. you will learn much, and quickly that way.
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<mathezula> Aero528, if you have questions while you're getting familiar with it, dont hesitate to ask.
<Aero528> fenris02, I had every intention of reading it, but I was hoping to have it solved quicker.
<fenris02> Aero528, that is the quick way. the short cut makes it take years longer ...
<ivazquez|laptop> I need a recommendation for web-based NAS software.
<Aero528> fenris02, I'll take your word for it then. Thanks for your help. Sorry if i've been a pain

** #fedora *
<mathezula> Aero528, for example, if you needed to pass a noacpi option to your kernel in grub.conf you'd just find the line youre booting from, copy that whole entry, paste it, then put 'noacpi' after your kernel selection line in grub.conf
<mathezula> s/after/at the end of/
<fenris02> mathezula, for testing, grub.conf is the wrong place to put things ...
<Aero528> mathzula, Ok, thanks for the advice!
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<mathezula> fenris02, if there's another way to test a kernel option the only other way i know would be to manually type it in while grub is actually running to select the kernel
<fenris02> mathezula, bingo! the perfect method for testing something. it verifies that it works and does no permanent damage.
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mathezula has never gotten a kernel option wrong lol
<mathezula> but i see your point
<mutk> mathezula, It is possible to edit the grub parameters at boot time too. Rather than adding them to the grub.conf
<fenris02> mathezula, you already admitted to being new too.
<mathezula> yes i had never touched a fedora system two days or so ago
<fenris02> mathezula, you're still new to linux.
<mathezula> no not at all
fenris02 chuckles politely
<mathezula> ...
<fenris02> mathezula, Yes. you are. http://fenris02.fedorapeople.org/futurist.se_gldt/gldt1011.png
mathezula looks for slackware 10 on that list
<fenris02> it's near the right side ... "new"
<fenris02> check the release date.
<mathezula> oh jeez, it must have been '06 or '07
<mathezula> hrm, no, maybe '05. not sure i'd have to check.
<fenris02> three seconds of google answers that question.
mathezula shrugs
<mathezula> I guess there's really no excuse, then. :)
<fenris02> mathezula, when you ask the same basic question that you asked yesterday and the day before, and have to be told up to eight times the same answer, you are NEW
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<mathezula> I have no idea what you're talking about.
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<fenris02> ok. if you insist.
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<mathezula> I would prefer it if you refrained from personal attacks in the future.
<fenris02> mathezula, that is not an attack at all. merely restating your recent history.
<mathezula> I see. Well, you're wrong.
ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02
fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula
fenris02 removes channel operator status from mathezula
<fenris02> enough trash.
fenris02 removes channel operator status from fenris02
<[R]> that's what she said?
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** #fedora-ops *
Now talking on #fedora-ops
Topic for #fedora-ops is: Enduser support in #fedora | Administrative chat for all Fedora Channel Operators; for more information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC | IRC Support SIG Meetings: Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting|
Topic for #fedora-ops set by VileGent!~notfred@fedora/Southern-Gentleman at Tue Dec 21 22:19:34 2010
mathezula sighs
<mathezula> anybody reading #fedora?
<fenris02> Yes.
<fenris02> lurk in #fedora all you like. this way, at least you will stop being disruptive and rude.
<mathezula> i wasn't being disruptive and rude
<mathezula> you're in a mood
<mathezula> anyone reading the log will see this
<fenris02> and?
<mathezula> lashing out at me because you're in a bad mood is a little inconsistent with that's expected of fedora operators per the guidelines we have, isn't it?
<fenris02> mathezula, you failed to understand a basic concept. First off, i am not mad at you at all.
<EvilBob> I know for a fact fenris02 is not in a bad mood
<mathezula> Good. Then can you start adhering to the operator guidelines a little more closely?
<mathezula> EvilBob, can you read the log for #fedora for the last half hour?
<fenris02> mathezula, you want to start being constructive?
<mathezula> fenris02, no, I want you to use your ops in the manner described for you.
<EvilBob> And when he is he rarely if ever lets that overflow in to his "job"
ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02
fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula
* You have been kicked from #fedora-ops by fenris02 (mathezula)

** #fedora-social *
Now talking on #fedora-social
Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ ≋≋≋ Fedora Support #fedora ≋≋≋ 2011: The Year of the Bacon ≋≋≋
Topic for #fedora-social set by mock!~mock@fedora/mock at Tue Jan 4 13:19:43 2011
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<EvilBob> I don't want to hear it so don't start
<EvilBob> ONLY warning
<jroysdon> the butler did it ;-p
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<mathezula> are these channels all owned by one group or is it kind of a collaborative thing between community members? like is there red-hat behind it?
<tw2113> mosrly community last i knew
<tw2113> mostly
<mathezula> any idea where I could find out?
<tw2113> yeah, someone else in here who knows more
<mathezula> lol
fedbot sets ban on mathezula!~mathezula@170.sub-75-200-175.myvzw.com
You have been kicked from #fedora-social by fedbot (You were warned, EvilBob)

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