#141 Ops too quick to "quiet" a user, Fedora Project should be ashamed of IRC
Closed: Invalid None Opened 11 years ago by kriston.

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My IRC nick is: kriston on freenode (a registered nick)

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Asking of any question results in Ops and participants berating the asker of the question instead of providing the actual answer to the question. Why are you even providing an IRC channel if the users of such channel not only will not answer simple questions with actual answers, and will then "quiet" the user who asks for the actual answer? Note that the "answers" provided by so-called IRC "helpers" are universally "go google your question." Of course, we already did that. If you're going to provide a chat room to help people, you should actually help people. Otherwise, close the chat room. Helping does not include "Use Google" as the so-called "solution." If you're going to do that, please, close the room. You re-enforce the overwhelmingly negative opinion of the Fedora Project when you allow this to happen.

Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:

fenrus02, who was not able to provide any sort of useful answer besides insults.
majorlinux, who provided a genuinely useful answer that did solve my problem, and whom I truly would like to thank.
satellit_e, who also provided a useful answer.
nathan28, who provided a useless answer, including a "google it," which is useless and inappropriate.
StillBob, who stated "Lazy is demanding," another useless answer that is insulting.
fenrus02, who "quieted" my account because of a perceived offensive acronym in response to his repeated, useless comments.

Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback:

Do not quiet users who state the obvious: that the IRC chat rooms are not useful because most of the users feel the need to disparage any sort of person who asks a question. The rest of them merely say "google it" instead of providing actual, practical answers to any question. Just close the room--the image of Fedora Project is not served by these people.

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I have more than twenty-five years of experience in Unix and on IRC. The organizations I am involved with universally decide not to use Fedora because of its strikingly juvenile community. If the Fedora Project truly supports "community," then the IRC chat rooms should be closed permanently. The endless beratement of users asking questions is shameful and the Fedora Project should be embarrassed by it.

Thanks for your feedback!

You're welcome, but I sincerely doubt you will use any of this feedback. I'm stating this for the record.


Yes, IMO you were both lazy and demanding. Lazy because you could not do a simple google search after given some suggestions. Demanding because... well you were. I didn't even mention rude or the entitlement issue you seem to have.

2013:04:02 22:16:08 UTC-0500 <kriston> Known-good URL for downloading dd.exe or GTFO.

That is demanding and rude and shows how you somehow feel that the world owes you something. The helpers and ops in the channel are not paid for what they do, they do so freely and they owe you NOTHING. You were muted in the channel because you were being rude and failed to take a moment to calm down.

2013:04:02 22:16:54 UTC-0500 <fenrus02> kriston, calm down, or take a break.

2013:04:02 22:55:23 UTC-0500 <kriston> Back to Ubuntu, thanks for nothing.

Ubuntu should be ashamed of it's users...

-- Bob

I'd like to just add a few things also 'for the record' :)

  • A quiet is a short (15m) action that simply causes the user to not be able to send messages to the channel. It's not a ban, it's not a kick, it's simply a way to tell someone that they are getting hot under the collar and should consider taking a 15m break to step away and return to the problem with a more calm mind. This is a transitory action.

  • The #fedora irc channel is a volenteer run and staffed community support channel. I'm sorry you had a bad experence. However, this is only ONE of the support channels the Fedora project offers. Have you tried the mailing lists? ask.fedoraproject.org? the forums? Perhaps one of them would suit you better.

We discussed this ticket at our meeting 2013-04-04 18:00UTC. The consensus was to thank you for the feedback, try other support channels, and do try and relax some.

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