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My IRC nick is: Tigz

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ticket: had an issue and user whom i found out later was an OP was not welcoming and very dismissive. I'm thinking of not coming back.

Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: Discordian

Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback: Discordian's attitude is not one of what an OP should be, Discordian might have a wealth of knowledge but doesn't seem to have the disposition or character to be able to be an OP, regardsless of this his attitude should be more welcoming towards others even as a normal user.

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conversation as follows:

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igz: caravel: no good, still the same
Tigz: i did try and get the error with no luck but it executes at the following point
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Tigz: GRUB loading
Tigz: Welcome to GRUB!
caravel: Tigz: you said the "version" of grub was different to what you had before ?
Tigz: then Error:
Tigz: in the file the one I uploaded to the one it replaced when re-installing it was different the new one looked like yours my old one didn't have half of the information in it
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Tigz: but to get my old one i had to run the grub-install command from the cd within rescue mode for fedora
caravel: ok, did you "reinstall" grub onto your disk/mbr after that ? (not the package, but using the command from grub2 package...)
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Tigz: cause the open suse grub version 0.97 overwritten it
caravel: ok
Tigz: no.... - did i miss a step
Discordian: Err right
Discordian: so now you are on grub1
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caravel: Tigz: that's what I call a stupid "distro boot loader war", none are designed to "share" a given grub install
Discordian: not grub2
Tigz: no fedora's grub 2
Tigz: text mode of fedora says GNU GRUB 2.00~beta4
* caravel isn't following :-)
Tigz: ok installed fedora 17
Tigz: then installed opensuse 12.1
Tigz: i didn't realise that suse was grub 1
Tigz: and overwritten the grub so all i could get was suse
Tigz: to rectify i found out that fedora is grub 2
Tigz: so to fix i found an article about fixing issues in fedora by using the rescue mode
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Discordian: I see a mess of fail
* caravel install grub into the first sector of each (respective cf. distro) /boot partition, then uses a "neutral" grub loader that "chainloads" others. One way of solving this...
Tigz: i did this and used the grub-install /dev/sda to get fedora to work and add suse later
Discordian: when you stop messing around maybe you can be helped
Tigz: sorry trying to catch up caravel as he was confussed
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caravel: thanks, it's clearer indeed :-)
Discordian: Is there a Fedora issue here tigz?
blami_: i think it is - user experience
Tigz: yes both systems are listed in fedora's grub 2, but the grub is in text mode i can tell cause it has all the information about pressing c for command line
Tigz: all i want is to get it back to graphical mode
caravel: Tigz: I'd suggest you try the solution I described here above : that's the end of such "distro war" : each one will then nicely be able to update its own grub and so on
caravel: (but that might still need a fix cf. graphic mode indeed)
Discordian: You know multi-booting requires skills
Discordian: You seem to lack those
caravel: Tigz: did you run vbeinfo from Fedora grub2 cli, as I suggested before ?
Discordian: why don't you just do one os
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Tigz: i have basic sys admin skills
Tigz: my main system is windows
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Tigz: its the advance linux stuff i sometimes have issues with
Tigz: cause it takes me longer to figure it out
Discordian: why then are you trying to multiboot linux?
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Tigz: because im trying to find a distro to setup a honeypot and IDS
Discordian: stick with one linux distro and use that
Tigz: and linux might be better suited for my needs with the equipment i have to use for it
Discordian: ...
Discordian: Is there some reason I should spend time helping you ?
Discordian: You don't seem committed to Fedora
Tigz: because the honeypot and IDS was going on fedora opensuse was just going to be a play system unaltered
Discordian: .mw
* Discordian sighs
Discordian: You should learn one distro
blami_: Discordian: why?
oldwzd: actually he should learn them all, then decide what he likes and stick to it.. XD
Tigz: noone said you had to help, i just thought someone might want to
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mosno: "all"? lol
Discordian: or what oldwzd said
blami_: Tigz: the best approach to do what you want without pain is what caravel said
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Discordian: however the keyword is learn
Tigz: oldwzd: thanks but each person says that they prefer a different one and I have to work out which one is better and etc.
Tigz: I can learn multiple distro's at once just fine thanks
Discordian: clearly
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Discordian: I'm reasonably sure opensuse current uses grub2 not grub1
Tigz: most of this i can work out just fine without help, i just wanted not to spend a few days working it out
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Tigz: thats not what my installed distro said
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Tigz: but hell what do i know ima windows man
blami_: Tigz: 11.3 in my case uses grub1
oldwzd: i dont use dualboot anymore, as i see no use of windows exept for gaming pleasure (also a lot of headake due to that os and buggs that end up messing with the gaming)
Tigz: oldwzd: thanks i understand, but this is all learning as being self taught in most things im trying to get systems up at home to learn and advance my career.
caravel: Tigz: consider what I suggested : within each distro, just install grub into /dev/sdaX where X is your /boot part. Then, from Fedora, install yet a third grub onto your MBR or its own partition also, as you wish, as a "neutral" grub loader. That last one will get a very simple menu to "chainload" all your OSs
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muep: Tigz: I have used a scheme similar to what caravel recommends. I'd recommend it too
Tigz: caravel: thanks i think i understand, i was able to fix the last boot issue with 3 seperate OS none fedora nor open suse, i change os's and it falls in a heap
Tigz: talking to you caravel i found that i screwed up like i thought and will have to redo my system
Discordian: Chainload is good
Tigz: all i need to work out is the right way to do it.
blami_: Tigz: what caravel says will work also for kernel updates in all distros installed
caravel: Tigz: here is (an extract of...) my "neutral" boot loader : http://fpaste.org/4bzm/ I have generated it manually, then hacked it manually. I only change it whenever I need to add or remove a new distro to chainload
caravel: Tigz: please note that mine might look a little more complex that what you may need, since I have 2 volume groups (LVM) : one is a standard one and contains one LV per /boot partition, another one is encrypted as a whole (LUKS) and contains one LV per /root partition plus swaps and data
caravel: so, it's all encrypted "as much as possible" (boot parts can't yet be AFAIK), it's my own approach of things :-)
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Tigz: very nice caravel.
caravel: doing so, cf. the stanzas I left in what I uploaded on fpaste, for example, F14 was very happy to keep updating its grub until it got EOL, while F16 was very happy too with its distinct version and configs :-D
caravel: yes, even distinct Fedora versions can "fight" for grub, of course...
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I later went to the ##fedora-ops channel and got more attitude from Discordian there when i went to discuss this issue.
so far my first day in the Fedora channels have not been good.

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