#115 Fedora-related IRC logs/archive site
Closed: Invalid None Opened 11 years ago by blaker.

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I think it would be very beneficial for the Fedora community if all fedora-related/run IRC channels were logged. E.g. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/

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I'm sure everyone can agree that having this information archived and searchable via Google/etc is a good thing for many reasons.

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Thanks for your feedback!


No, privacy issues.

The logs you referenced are not sanitized, feature users nicks, ip addresses and more. All sanitized logs I have seen are hard to follow.

Public logging would certainly put an end to individuals doctoring their logs for their own benefit. I don't know how it would be implemented across fedora channels though. We can only speak for the channels that the IRC Support Sig represent which is #fedora and #fedora-social. We don't have any control over the dozens of other Fedora related chat channels available.

For privacy reason I am not in favour of this.

The channels are already logged by many people (including the bot I guess) so finding a reliable one should not be a problem within the SIG if the situation arise.

In addition, #fedora already clearly specifies:
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[#fedora] "Any advice you read here is provided by individual community members.
You should use it at your OWN RISK. This advice is owned by each individual, and
does NOT represent the views of Freenode, Fedora or Red Hat. This channel may be logged
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I would rather have the solution documented on the wiki than the logs present on google. It would imply that the solution is more broadly applicable than just the use-case presented in the chan.

@bjensen, @pingou
Why do the logs need to be sanitized? The channel is open to the public, so arn't connected users already accepting the fact that their nick and shared information/conversations are not private?

@dp67
We could have a fedora bot auto-connect to all configured/specified channels and have it log the conversations. We could ask each channel's mods to allow the bot to stay connected to the channel. I'm sure ubuntu people are doing something similar.

I think the big concern here is that people would take comments out of context and emabrass or use them against folks.

Also, worth noting the freenode channel guidelines:

http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml

"If you're considering publishing channel logs, think it through. The freenode network is an interactive environment. Even on public channels, most users don't weigh their comments with the idea that they'll be enshrined in perpetuity. For that reason, few participants publish logs.

If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, and get permission from the channel owners before you start. If you're thinking of "anonymizing" your logs (removing information that identifies the specific users), be aware that it's difficult to do it well—replies and general context often provide identifying information which is hard to filter.

If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save will most likely be your own."

@kevin
I'm not sure how comments could be taken out of context if the entire channel is logged/archived?

If you wish to maintain your own logs for your own private record, you may do so.

I will not condone publicly posting even #fedora logs, let alone the other channels. Too many problems with doing so.

-1 on the proposal, to be clear.

Do any of you happen to know where I would want to propose this idea? Is there a comity or group within the Fedora community who has the authority to approve this proposal?

We discussed this at todays meeting and the consensus was that we don't want to do this at this time.

You're welcome to talk to the fedora board on their list and see if they would like to do this for some reason.

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