= Proposal topic =
After much disagreement in today's FPC meeting, FPC passed the following:
May services be on by default? No but FESCo provides exceptions (and has the option of tasking FPC to determine exceptions). (+1:5, 0:0, -1:1)
Tasks arising from this:
There was the start of a list here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Spot/DefaultServices
That draft as a whole had several points of contention though:
Many alternatives to the draft were suggested although, in the end, only the proposal given at the top of this page was voted upon:
Adding meeting keyword here so we can pick it up at next weeks meeting.
13:52 ! spot has a list of all packages with current enabled by default services 13:52 spot$ abrt acpid at audit autofs avahi bluez cluster-glue cobbler coda-client cpuspeed cronie ctrlproxy dbus dkms exim fence-virtd firebird-superserver firstboot fnfx freenx-server gadget gpm gvrpcd hal hsqldb ifplugd ipmiutil iptables iptables-ipv6 irqbalance iscsi-initiator-utils isdn4k-utils koji-builder libvirt libvirt-client lvm2 mdadm nfs-utils ocfs2-tools olpc-utils openct openslp-server openssh-server pcsc-lite pop-before-smtp portreserve preload qemu-co 13:52 spot$ mmon qemu-user quagga rhnsd rpcbind rp-pppoe rsyslog sblim-gather sendmail snort spice-vdagent sysklogd sysstat udev wine-desktop xen xen-runtime xinetd yum-updatesd
I'll note some of these are dbus services, and it's unclear to me how to enable/disable them. For example, bluez. Is there actually any way to disable this service from starting without removing the package?
The list has 68 packages currently, which seems very excessive to me. We could either try and come up with a smaller whitelist, or try and prune down the existing list, or everyone could come up with their own and we could discuss ones that are not on everyones list. Whichever way people want to move forward.
mjg59 and notting will sotr thru the list and see if we can address the ones we need to next time.
There was general agreement with Spot's draft on this.
Although untested by me, the systemd draft guideline includes a recipe for installing a dbus containing service that is not started unless the system administrator enables it. Read from the the second paragraph in the following section:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TomCallaway/Systemd_Revised_Draft#Bus_Activation
mjg59/notting: Any progress on a sorted list for tomorrow?
fnfx gpm hal libvirt lvm2 mdadm openct pcsc-lite qemu-common quagga sendmail spice-vdagent sysstat xen xen-runtime yum-updatesd
firstboot ipmiutil iptables iptables-ipv6 irqbalance libvirt-client olpc-utils portreserve preload qemu-user wine-desktop udev
rsyslog sysklogd ifplugd iscsi-initiator-utils isdn4k-utils nfs-utils ocfs2-tools openssh-server rpcbind rp-pppoe xinetd
firebird-superserver freenx-server gadget gvrpcd koji-builder openslp-server pop-before-smtp rhnsd sblim-gather snort
Oops, forgot some. Updated list:
abrt acpid at audit bluez cronie dbus exim fence-virtd fnfx gpm hal libvirt lvm2 mdadm openct pcsc-lite qemu-common quagga sendmail spice-vdagent sysstat xen xen-runtime yum-updatesd
cpuspeed dkms firstboot ipmiutil iptables iptables-ipv6 irqbalance libvirt-client olpc-utils portreserve preload qemu-user wine-desktop udev
autofs avahi coda-client ifplugd iscsi-initiator-utils isdn4k-utils nfs-utils ocfs2-tools openssh-server rpcbind rp-pppoe rsyslog sysklogd xinetd
cluster-glue cobbler ctrlproxy firebird-superserver freenx-server gadget gvrpcd koji-builder openslp-server pop-before-smtp rhnsd sblim-gather snort
Copied from Spot:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/DefaultServices
I'll note however, that NetworkManager isn't in the list?
We are going to gather feedback from the devel list for a week and revisit this next week.
Just thought of this so I'm writing down -- if the guidelines for what services don't change much from what's here, we need to release note it since system administrators will want to know that more services will be defaulting to on when their package is installed.
I maintain hdapsd. It is a daemon to protect laptop HDD during physical shock (it uses accelerometer to measure sudden movement). Currently I have it autostarted for sda and sdb devices. It has no use outside laptop environment and laptops seldom (never?) have more than two drives.
Protection of user hardware seems like enough cause for autostart. This package is not installed by default.
We are going to gather more info about dbus services and if critical path could tie into this list somehow and revisit next week.
Looking at critical path, the following services are in our prior 'can start by default' list, but aren't in critical path:
That might be too many to rely on critpath.
After discussion the draft was approved.
In the event this causes too many or the wrong kind of service to be starting by default we can revisit.
Will leave this ticket open until we can figure out where this should be on the wiki and its in place there.
I've added NetworkManager and moved the page to:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Starting_services_by_default
Please reopen if this if there is further action needed.
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