Ticket #301 (closed task: fixed)

Opened 21 months ago

Last modified 14 months ago

Translations Testing Day Proposal

Reported by: pycrash Owned by:
Priority: major Milestone: Fedora 18
Component: Test Day Version:
Keywords: Cc: aalam, tagoh, noriko, anipeter
Blocked By: Blocking:

Description

phenomenon

Translation test Day

background analysis

It is very important to test all the translation before Fedora 18's release, so Fedora can became a world wide Distro.

implementation recommendation

I propose the 2012-10-25 as a Translation Test Day. It is close enough to the release date so all the Translation will be ready and the 2012-11-01 is still available for testing last minutes changes.

Change History

comment:1 in reply to: ↑ description Changed 21 months ago by aalam

  • Cc aalam added

Replying to pycrash:

phenomenon

Translation test Day

background analysis

It is very important to test all the translation before Fedora 18's release, so Fedora can became a world wide Distro.

implementation recommendation

I propose the 2012-10-25 as a Translation Test Day. It is close enough to the release date so all the Translation will be ready and the 2012-11-01 is still available for testing last minutes changes.

Too close means Nothing can be fixed by translators, or build by developers for release, but only after release fix possible.

comment:2 follow-up: ↓ 3 Changed 21 months ago by adamwill

For several previous releases, the l10n/i18n teams have proposed and run a series of l10n/i18n test days which included translations checks along with other things. aalam, if you're planning to do that again, perhaps it would be the best way to go. Should we make this into the ticket for F18 l10n/i18n test days?

comment:3 in reply to: ↑ 2 Changed 21 months ago by aalam

Replying to adamwill:

For several previous releases, the l10n/i18n teams have proposed and run a series of l10n/i18n test days which included translations checks along with other things. aalam, if you're planning to do that again, perhaps it would be the best way to go. Should we make this into the ticket for F18 l10n/i18n test days?

yes, for Fedora i18n, we are running 3 test day (l10n, i18n and installation). I will update ticket after i18n team meeting.

comment:4 Changed 21 months ago by noriko

Thank you for creating the ticket.
It has been scheduled in the week of 2012-08-27 - 2012-09-04 as 'Review and correct software translation in built UI'.
Can we book the L10N (translation) test day on 30-Aug, Thursday?

comment:5 follow-up: ↓ 6 Changed 21 months ago by adamwill

aalam added 2012-09-06 to the schedule as 'Fedora i18n/l10n Test Day'...so do you want 09-06, or 08-30? Or both? Or neither? :) Thanks!

comment:6 in reply to: ↑ 5 Changed 21 months ago by aalam

Replying to adamwill:

aalam added 2012-09-06 to the schedule as 'Fedora i18n/l10n Test Day'...so do you want 09-06, or 08-30? Or both? Or neither? :) Thanks!

i18n team was agree for 2012-09-06 Test Day. As Noriko proposed l10n Test day, need to reconfirm with i18n team as we can do l10n and i18n Test day in same week.

comment:7 follow-up: ↓ 8 Changed 21 months ago by noriko

Please notice that l10n test period (as review week) has already been defined on the schedule to meet devel-team schedule. So that any modification/fix made during this test period (prior to the deadline) can be included in the rebuild. l10n and i18n test days can be set on separate week if needed.

2012-08-24: l10n-QA specific image is composed by rel-eng [1]

2012-08-27 to 2012-09-04: Review week (test day must be set on this week) [2]

2012-09-04: Software translation deadline [2]

2012-09-04 to 2012-09-11: Rebuild all translated packages by maintainers [3]

[1]:http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-releng-tasks.html

[2]:http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-trans-tasks.html

[3]:http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-devel-tasks.html

comment:8 in reply to: ↑ 7 Changed 21 months ago by aalam

Replying to noriko:

Please notice that l10n test period (as review week) has already been defined on the schedule to meet devel-team schedule. So that any modification/fix made during this test period (prior to the deadline) can be included in the rebuild. l10n and i18n test days can be set on separate week if needed.

Test page is updated for Translation testing on Aug 30.

comment:9 Changed 21 months ago by noriko

Adam and Aman

It is now confirmed by Jaroslav that the software deadline date is 2012-09-11 but not 09-04. This one week add change was caused by Gnome schedule conflicts. The dates related in all detailed schedules (for devel, releng and trans) are obsolete, and needs to be modified accordingly.

Bottom line, it perfectly fits with 2012-09-06 test day by adding one week to 09-04. Sorry for this change, but could you please change l10n test day to 2012-09-06?

comment:10 follow-up: ↓ 11 Changed 20 months ago by tagoh

  • Cc tagoh added

still no detailed page for both test days. I'm wondering who is responsible for that?

comment:11 in reply to: ↑ 10 ; follow-up: ↓ 12 Changed 20 months ago by aalam

Replying to tagoh:

still no detailed page for both test days. I'm wondering who is responsible for that?

Hi Tagoh,

I was working on that. Pages are updating with content. Please check.

comment:12 in reply to: ↑ 11 Changed 20 months ago by tagoh

Replying to aalam:

Replying to tagoh:

still no detailed page for both test days. I'm wondering who is responsible for that?

Hi Tagoh,

I was working on that. Pages are updating with content. Please check.

Great. thanks! I'll update the test case as needed.

comment:13 Changed 20 months ago by noriko

The schedule was now slipped a week.
Will the test days follow?

comment:14 follow-ups: ↓ 16 ↓ 36 Changed 20 months ago by adamwill

So far we've never slipped the entire test day schedule along with a release slip, no. If your event is particularly tied to the schedule, though, let me know, and we'll try and work something out.

comment:15 Changed 20 months ago by noriko

Without live image, we are unable to have L10N test :-(

Please see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5306

comment:16 in reply to: ↑ 14 Changed 20 months ago by aalam

Replying to adamwill:

So far we've never slipped the entire test day schedule along with a release slip, no. If your event is particularly tied to the schedule, though, let me know, and we'll try and work something out.

as Noriko said, Live boot-able image, it may not be possible to test (may installer not work, but desktop should be) with image. I am watching ticket about it (https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/941) and please allow us to skip till iso not available.

comment:17 Changed 20 months ago by adamwill

We can build a live image for the test day, even if there aren't Alpha images available. That shouldn't be a problem.

comment:18 Changed 20 months ago by aalam

during i18n team meeting, it is found that it will better for testing if we skip i18n testing for few weeks (to Sep 18 - Tuesday). Also it was overlapping with OpenStack? Test day. Translation test day we want to continue on current schedule if live iso available.

comment:19 Changed 20 months ago by noriko

  • Cc noriko added

comment:20 Changed 20 months ago by aalam

as 'Software Translation Deadline' is now 2012-09-25 and live installer, which last tested, not able to logout, which is required to switch language. with delay we can get more translations (It will also close to Software translation deadline), get installer working (to test), and update Test Cases with latest build. Can we change it to 2012-09-20?

comment:21 follow-up: ↓ 23 Changed 20 months ago by kparal

I think GNOME should provide you option to log out if you switch the language. If it doesn't, it's a bug. But always you can run gnome-session-quit command.

I have rescheduled the test day to 2012-09-20 as per your request. The test day page is now here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-20_i18n/l10n

comment:22 Changed 20 months ago by tagoh

Hmm, I read it aalam was requesting like this:

  • 2012-09-04 (i18n) -> 2012-09-18
  • 2012-09-06 (l10n) -> 2012-09-20

Am I misreading?

comment:23 in reply to: ↑ 21 ; follow-up: ↓ 24 Changed 20 months ago by aalam

Replying to kparal:

I think GNOME should provide you option to log out if you switch the language. If it doesn't, it's a bug. But always you can run gnome-session-quit command.

it is feature in gnome-shell with Single user, no logout button.

I have rescheduled the test day to 2012-09-20 as per your request. The test day page is now here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-20_i18n/l10n

actually there were two test days i18n and l10n. i18n already moved to 2012-09-18 (Tuesday) and Translation day need to move on 2012-09-20.

comment:24 in reply to: ↑ 23 ; follow-up: ↓ 25 Changed 20 months ago by kparal

Replying to aalam:

Replying to kparal:

I think GNOME should provide you option to log out if you switch the language. If it doesn't, it's a bug. But always you can run gnome-session-quit command.

it is feature in gnome-shell with Single user, no logout button.

I know. And my reply is my response to it.

actually there were two test days i18n and l10n. i18n already moved to 2012-09-18 (Tuesday) and Translation day need to move on 2012-09-20.

Sorry for confusion. Is it correct now?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-18_i18n

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-20_l10n

comment:25 in reply to: ↑ 24 Changed 20 months ago by aalam

Replying to kparal:

Replying to aalam:

Replying to kparal:

I think GNOME should provide you option to log out if you switch the language. If it doesn't, it's a bug. But always you can run gnome-session-quit command.

it is feature in gnome-shell with Single user, no logout button.

I know. And my reply is my response to it.

actually there were two test days i18n and l10n. i18n already moved to 2012-09-18 (Tuesday) and Translation day need to move on 2012-09-20.

Sorry for confusion. Is it correct now?

yes, it is fine. Thanks for fixing.

comment:26 Changed 20 months ago by tagoh

BTW due to the another slip on release schedule, i18n test day and alpha release happens at the same day so far. it may not works for people who lives around Asia because it's a bit earlier until ISOs is available?

hopefully the last RC is stable enough and same to what alpha is?

comment:27 follow-up: ↓ 28 Changed 19 months ago by tagoh

As per the discussion from today's i18n meeting, we want to request to create a custom Live image with packages from updates-testing since a lot of GNOME packages are waiting on it and it's tightly related to our new feature, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration and Indic improvements with new pango and harfbuzz.

Is it possible to have one by coming i18n test day on Tuesday?

comment:28 in reply to: ↑ 27 Changed 19 months ago by aalam

Replying to tagoh:

As per the discussion from today's i18n meeting, we want to request to create a custom Live image with packages from updates-testing since a lot of GNOME packages are waiting on it and it's tightly related to our new feature, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration and Indic improvements with new pango and harfbuzz.

Is it possible to have one by coming i18n test day on Tuesday?

RC3 build is there, also we can ask in https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5306 ticket for that.

comment:29 follow-up: ↓ 30 Changed 19 months ago by kparal

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ should use updates-testing. Can you please try them out whether they are sufficient for you?

comment:30 in reply to: ↑ 29 Changed 19 months ago by tagoh

Replying to kparal:

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ should use updates-testing. Can you please try them out whether they are sufficient for you?

just tried http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/2239/4472239/Fedora-18-Nightly-20120910.09-x86_64-Live-desktop.iso and seems not:

Build                                     Tag                   Built by
----------------------------------------  --------------------  ----------------
ibus-1.4.99.20120822-2.fc18               f18-updates-testing   fujiwara
imsettings-1.3.1-1.fc18                   f18-updates-testing   tagoh
pango-1.31.1-1.fc18                       f18-updates-testing   mclasen
harfbuzz-0.9.4-1.fc18                     f18-updates-testing   paragn
gnome-shell-3.5.91-1.fc18                 f18-updates-testing   kalev
$ rpm -q ibus imsettings pango harfbuzz gnome-shell
ibus-1.4.99.20120712-3.fc18.x86_64
imsettings-1.3.0-2.fc18.x86_64
pango-1.30.1-2.fc18.x86_64
package harfbuzz is not installed
gnome-shell-3.5.5-2.fc18.x86_64

for example, imsettings has been pushed to testing 29th August. that may explains nightly build doesn't refer updates-testing?

comment:31 Changed 19 months ago by kparal

Looking at the kickstart you seem to be right, updates-testing is not used.

comment:32 follow-up: ↓ 33 Changed 19 months ago by tagoh

So I guess we need to wait for the response from rel-eng. I'm not quite sure if we can have one in a timely manner. it's pretty bad timing for composing custom since they would be busy for alpha...

comment:33 in reply to: ↑ 32 ; follow-up: ↓ 34 Changed 19 months ago by kparal

Replying to tagoh:

So I guess we need to wait for the response from rel-eng. I'm not quite sure if we can have one in a timely manner. it's pretty bad timing for composing custom since they would be busy for alpha...

I believe we can create a compose for you.

Tim, you have been creating composes recently, could you create one using updates-testing for i18n test day?

If he doesn't do it today, I'll try to create one on Monday.

comment:34 in reply to: ↑ 33 ; follow-up: ↓ 35 Changed 19 months ago by tflink

Replying to kparal:

Tim, you have been creating composes recently, could you create one using updates-testing for i18n test day?

Yeah, I can do that. Can I get some more details on what you're looking for? I assume a livecd but I'm not as sure of the package set (specific things or just all of updates-testing), spin or arch(s) that are desired.

comment:35 in reply to: ↑ 34 ; follow-up: ↓ 40 Changed 19 months ago by tagoh

Replying to tflink:

Replying to kparal:

Tim, you have been creating composes recently, could you create one using updates-testing for i18n test day?

Yeah, I can do that. Can I get some more details on what you're looking for? I assume a livecd but I'm not as sure of the package set (specific things or just all of updates-testing), spin or arch(s) that are desired.

Thanks. well, we particularly want to see the latest GNOME packages, ibus* and imsettings in Live. this is necessary for our feature testing for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration and harfbuzz integration to pango which improves a lot for Indic.

I guess x86_64 would be sufficient for this testing.

I just thought picking up from updates-testing may be easy because it would be the kind of the mega-updates. I leave it to you. if Live image satisfies those packages updated, I'm fine.

TIA,

comment:36 in reply to: ↑ 14 ; follow-up: ↓ 37 Changed 19 months ago by noriko

  • Cc anipeter added

Replying to adamwill:

So far we've never slipped the entire test day schedule along with a release slip, no. If your event is particularly tied to the schedule, though, let me know, and we'll try and work something out.


Ok, I now like to confirm that our event of l10n test (not i18n test) is tied to the schedule.

  • L10N test day should now be on 27-Sep to fit current software deadline of 02-Oct.

For future release, test day request tickets for l10n test and i18n test are created separately. Ani and her team of FLTG can help these both events.

comment:37 in reply to: ↑ 36 ; follow-up: ↓ 38 Changed 19 months ago by kparal

Replying to noriko:

  • L10N test day should now be on 27-Sep to fit current software deadline of 02-Oct.

27-Sep is already taken by Intel Test Day. What about 28-Sep?

comment:38 in reply to: ↑ 37 ; follow-up: ↓ 39 Changed 19 months ago by anipeter

Replying to kparal:

Replying to noriko:

  • L10N test day should now be on 27-Sep to fit current software deadline of 02-Oct.

27-Sep is already taken by Intel Test Day. What about 28-Sep?

In that case, I guess 28th Sept is fine. Thanks Ani FLTG member

comment:39 in reply to: ↑ 38 Changed 19 months ago by kparal

Replying to anipeter:

In that case, I guess 28th Sept is fine.

Moved

comment:40 in reply to: ↑ 35 Changed 19 months ago by tflink

Replying to tagoh:

Thanks. well, we particularly want to see the latest GNOME packages, ibus* and imsettings in Live. this is necessary for our feature testing for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration and harfbuzz integration to pango which improves a lot for Indic.

I guess x86_64 would be sufficient for this testing.

I just thought picking up from updates-testing may be easy because it would be the kind of the mega-updates. I leave it to you. if Live image satisfies those packages updated, I'm fine.

I built an x86_64 desktop livecd with updates testing:

Autologin doesn't seem to be working but other than that it boots and runs. If you get a chance, could you check out that livecd and let me know if that'll be enough for the purposes of the test day? If so, I'll build an i686 livecd with updates-testing and push to the same location.

comment:41 Changed 14 months ago by martix

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